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Session Start: Sun Jul 18 11:25:02 2010
Session Ident: #seneca-HOTYS
->>03[11:25] * Now talking in #seneca-HOTYS->>03[11:25] * anthony.freenode.net sets mode: +ns->>03[11:29] * OzZy_M changes topic to '---> > Meeting Will Start @ 12 - 12:30*'->>03[11:47] * slaw12 (~chatzilla@CPE00173fedf769-CM001868e9fa14.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has joined #seneca-HOTYS->>03[11:48] * _YJ (~chatzilla@CPE0022b0d1b62a-CM001692fb1c3c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has joined #seneca-HOTYS[11:56] <<_YJ> > Hello ![11:56] <<slaw12> > mornin!->>01[11:58] <<@OzZy_M> > Hello->>01[11:59] <<@OzZy_M> > Sorry I was making breakfast[11:59] <<slaw12> > what's for breakfast? :P->>03[11:59] * TonyKim (~tony_core@CPE60fb42f3cf3a-CM000a73655cdb.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has joined #seneca-HOTYS->>01[11:59] <<@OzZy_M> > steak and eggs[11:59] <<TonyKim> > Hello!->>01[11:59] <<@OzZy_M> > :)->>01[11:59] <<@OzZy_M> > sup tony[11:59] <<slaw12> > hi tony[11:59] <<TonyKim> > What'up Ozzyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy?->>01[12:00] <<@OzZy_M> > high again tony? :D[12:00] <<_YJ> > LOL[12:00] <<TonyKim> > lol[12:00] <<_YJ> > are you okay tony ?[12:00] <<_YJ> > lol[12:00] <<TonyKim> > Yup->>01[12:01] <<@OzZy_M> > nivr->>01[12:01] <<@OzZy_M> > nice->>01[12:01] <<@OzZy_M> > i sense productive day->>01[12:01] <<@OzZy_M> > lol[12:02] <<_YJ> > shall we start the meeting ?->>01[12:02] <<@OzZy_M> > Han will not be showing up today->>01[12:02] <<@OzZy_M> > so we should start[12:02] <<_YJ> > go ahead Ozzy :-)[12:02] <<_YJ> > please lead us->>01[12:02] <<@OzZy_M> > ok[12:02] <<_YJ> > kkkk[12:02] <<slaw12> > yup let's do it!->>01[12:02] <<@OzZy_M> > lol->>01[12:02] <<@OzZy_M> > sorry i was stuffing my mouth :P->>01[12:02] <<@OzZy_M> > anyways->>01[12:03] <<@OzZy_M> > we have this project to do->>01[12:03] <<@OzZy_M> > so->>01[12:03] <<@OzZy_M> > the first order of business->>01[12:03] <<@OzZy_M> > is to establish our lighthouse account->>01[12:03] <<@OzZy_M> > which I started->>01[12:03] <<@OzZy_M> > I sent out invites->>01[12:03] <<@OzZy_M> > everyone signed up?[12:03] <<slaw12> > yes[12:03] <<_YJ> > seem everyone accepted your invite->>01[12:03] <<@OzZy_M> > I created the project site->>01[12:04] <<@OzZy_M> > so->>01[12:04] <<@OzZy_M> > I suggest we try and familiarize ourselves with it->>01[12:04] <<@OzZy_M> > Tony->>01[12:04] <<@OzZy_M> > you were not there for the metting with catherine[12:04] <<TonyKim> > I did.->>01[12:04] <<@OzZy_M> > I believe I filled you in though right?[12:04] <<_YJ> > tony signed up for lighthouse[12:04] <<TonyKim> > I was reading the IRC log. :)->>01[12:04] <<@OzZy_M> > awesome->>01[12:04] <<@OzZy_M> > ok->>01[12:04] <<@OzZy_M> > so->>01[12:04] <<@OzZy_M> > now->>01[12:04] <<@OzZy_M> > lets talk about the project->>01[12:05] <<@OzZy_M> > first->>01[12:05] <<@OzZy_M> > we need to split up the work->>01[12:05] <<@OzZy_M> > I was thinking->>01[12:05] <<@OzZy_M> > to put the functions in an order->>01[12:05] <<@OzZy_M> > whatever the order maybe[12:05] <<_YJ> > I want to do ioedit and iovedit !![12:05] <<_YJ> > kk->>01[12:05] <<@OzZy_M> > then work top down->>01[12:05] <<@OzZy_M> > as opposed[12:05] <<slaw12> > i want iolabel->>01[12:06] <<@OzZy_M> > ok->>01[12:06] <<@OzZy_M> > how many mandatory ones are there?[12:06] <<TonyKim> > I want IOForm? maybe?->>01[12:06] <<@OzZy_M> > 7?[12:06] <<_YJ> > and tony wants 7[12:06] <<_YJ> > wait[12:06] <<slaw12> > 5[12:06] <<_YJ> > sorry ignore above[12:06] <<_YJ> > there are 7 classes[12:06] <<_YJ> > since ioedit/iovedit both are kind of related to each other[12:07] <<_YJ> > I can take both->>01[12:07] <<@OzZy_M> > ok[12:07] <<_YJ> > and on other person can take two classes->>01[12:07] <<@OzZy_M> > first->>01[12:07] <<@OzZy_M> > Yujin[12:07] <<_YJ> > okay->>01[12:07] <<@OzZy_M> > explain what those classes do->>01[12:07] <<@OzZy_M> > we should explain each while we're all there->>01[12:07] <<@OzZy_M> > here*->>01[12:07] <<@OzZy_M> > incase more questions pop up[12:07] <<_YJ> > lol (I'm nervous) okay I will try->>01[12:07] <<@OzZy_M> > lol->>01[12:07] <<@OzZy_M> > it's ok->>01[12:07] <<@OzZy_M> > we're all friends here[12:08] <<_YJ> > IOEdit is responsible for running iof_edit function[12:08] <<_YJ> > it will receive info such as str, row, col and so on[12:08] <<_YJ> > and call iof_edit accordingly->>01[12:09] <<@OzZy_M> > you siad[12:09] <<_YJ> > it checks various other conditions and those need to be implemented correctly->>01[12:09] <<@OzZy_M> > there were two you were doing->>01[12:09] <<@OzZy_M> > that were related?[12:09] <<_YJ> > yes and then IOVedit is[12:10] <<_YJ> > IOVEdit is same as IOVEdit except that i offers two special services[12:10] <<_YJ> > which are[12:10] <<_YJ> > 1. supporting help messages 2. supporting data validation->>01[12:10] <<@OzZy_M> > ok->>01[12:11] <<@OzZy_M> > can you explain a little more on those 2 extra services[12:11] <<_YJ> > and of course IOVEdit inherit IOEdit class->>01[12:11] <<@OzZy_M> > where do the extra services fall in the big picture[12:12] <<_YJ> > I'm trying to find description of help function and validation function[12:12] <<TonyKim> > Inherit IOEdit class to a Validated line editor class called IOVEdit.->>01[12:12] <<@OzZy_M> > so[12:12] <<TonyKim> > IOVEdit->>01[12:12] <<@OzZy_M> > they are separate functions?->>01[12:12] <<@OzZy_M> > so->>01[12:13] <<@OzZy_M> > altogether, Yujin, how many functions are you proposing to write?[12:13] <<_YJ> > I have no idea where those two functions came from[12:13] <<_YJ> > I'm going to write[12:13] <<_YJ> > 13 functions->>01[12:13] <<@OzZy_M> > ok->>01[12:13] <<@OzZy_M> > so I'm assuming->>01[12:13] <<@OzZy_M> > the ones you picked->>01[12:13] <<@OzZy_M> > are the most time consuming?[12:14] <<_YJ> > no I don't think so->>01[12:14] <<@OzZy_M> > ok[12:14] <<_YJ> > the reason is that[12:14] <<_YJ> > 5 of them is constructor and destructor[12:14] <<_YJ> > which are easy[12:14] <<_YJ> > and->>01[12:14] <<@OzZy_M> > wow->>01[12:14] <<@OzZy_M> > I'm sorry->>01[12:15] <<@OzZy_M> > Instead of function->>01[12:15] <<@OzZy_M> > I meant to say CLASSES->>01[12:15] <<@OzZy_M> > sorry[12:15] <<_YJ> > and 4 of them is simply retrieving data memebr->>01[12:15] <<@OzZy_M> > you're doing 2 CLASSES right?[12:15] <<_YJ> > LOL[12:15] <<_YJ> > YES[12:15] <<_YJ> > just two[12:15] <<_YJ> > LOL[12:15] <<_YJ> > we have only 7 classes to do->>01[12:15] <<@OzZy_M> > aweseom->>01[12:15] <<@OzZy_M> > and you are doing IOEdit and IOVedit?[12:15] <<_YJ> > yes->>01[12:16] <<@OzZy_M> > and Stephanie?[12:16] <<slaw12> > i want to do iolabel[12:16] <<TonyKim> > I'm doing ""IOForm"".->>01[12:16] <<@OzZy_M> > awesome->>01[12:17] <<@OzZy_M> > want to explain what iolabel does?->>01[12:17] <<@OzZy_M> > wait->>01[12:17] <<@OzZy_M> > are not some of these classes children of others?[12:17] <<slaw12> > yes->>01[12:18] <<@OzZy_M> > then we should be writing the parents first[12:18] <<TonyKim> > Yes[12:18] <<slaw12> > there's a hierarchy shown in the assignment description->>01[12:18] <<@OzZy_M> > which are the base classes?[12:18] <<TonyKim> > IOFrame->>01[12:18] <<@OzZy_M> > no->>01[12:18] <<@OzZy_M> > doesn't the inheritance go more than one level?[12:18] <<_YJ> > http://zenit.senecac.on.ca/wiki/index.php/OOP344_20102_TextEdit#Class_Hierarchy[12:19] <<_YJ> > follow this link[12:19] <<_YJ> > IOFrame is the most base class->>01[12:19] <<@OzZy_M> > most baserist?->>01[12:19] <<@OzZy_M> > anyways->>01[12:19] <<@OzZy_M> > so Yujin has the edit line->>01[12:19] <<@OzZy_M> > TonyKim you said textedit?[12:20] <<TonyKim> > IOFrame : ?[12:20] <<TonyKim> > IOField : ?[12:20] <<TonyKim> > IOLabel : Stephanie[12:20] <<TonyKim> > IOEdit,IOVEdit : Yujin[12:20] <<TonyKim> > IOForm : Tony[12:20] <<TonyKim> > IOTextEdit : ?->>01[12:20] <<@OzZy_M> > ok->>01[12:20] <<@OzZy_M> > i'll start with IOField->>01[12:20] <<@OzZy_M> > so[12:20] <<TonyKim> > IOFrame : Han->>01[12:20] <<@OzZy_M> > sounds good->>01[12:20] <<@OzZy_M> > now->>01[12:20] <<@OzZy_M> > we have how long to get this prj done?->>01[12:20] <<@OzZy_M> < > < 4 weeks?[12:21] <<TonyKim> > Yup[12:21] <<_YJ> > IOTextEdit looks short and easy at the first sight[12:21] <<_YJ> > haha[12:21] <<_YJ> > I think so[12:21] <<_YJ> > but we need to finish early enough[12:21] <<_YJ> > let's get it done in 3 weeks[12:21] <<_YJ> > let's try to :-)[12:21] <<slaw12> > ok, let's aim for 3 weeks->>01[12:22] <<@OzZy_M> > ya[12:22] <<slaw12> > it gives us a buffer just in case we need it. :)[12:22] <<TonyKim> > Ya->>01[12:22] <<@OzZy_M> > we need ample time for testing->>01[12:22] <<@OzZy_M> > so->>01[12:22] <<@OzZy_M> > there are 5 of us right?->>01[12:22] <<@OzZy_M> > so->>01[12:22] <<@OzZy_M> > if we each get 1 class done in a week->>01[12:23] <<@OzZy_M> > that should leave us a lot of time to put everything together and test->>01[12:23] <<@OzZy_M> > so->>01[12:23] <<@OzZy_M> > by next sunday->>01[12:24] <<@OzZy_M> > is it good to assume we will have each had one function completed?[12:24] <<_YJ> > you mean[12:24] <<_YJ> > one class done ?->>01[12:24] <<@OzZy_M> >> >_<<->>01[12:24] <<@OzZy_M> > yes->>01[12:24] <<@OzZy_M> > some of these are not hard->>01[12:25] <<@OzZy_M> > the question is->>01[12:25] <<@OzZy_M> > can we create all these child classes without first doing the parent classes?[12:25] <<slaw12> > that 's what i was wondering[12:26] <<TonyKim> > Depending on it.[12:26] <<TonyKim> > That's why it is a parent class.->>01[12:26] <<@OzZy_M> > hmmm[12:26] <<_YJ> > each of us can try to finish their classes for one week->>01[12:26] <<@OzZy_M> > that makes sense[12:26] <<slaw12> > so we can't test the classes on their own->>01[12:26] <<@OzZy_M> > Well->>01[12:26] <<@OzZy_M> > ya[12:26] <<_YJ> > and when we have meeting on sunday->>01[12:26] <<@OzZy_M> > sounds good->>01[12:26] <<@OzZy_M> > but[12:26] <<_YJ> > then we can test our code->>01[12:26] <<@OzZy_M> > aside from OOP344->>01[12:27] <<@OzZy_M> > what other classes do you guys have work for?[12:27] <<_YJ> > hmm just INT assignment->>01[12:27] <<@OzZy_M> > I got DBS/INT assignments/labs to do[12:27] <<_YJ> > and EAC150 research work[12:27] <<slaw12> > eac->>01[12:27] <<@OzZy_M> > and my elective research[12:28] <<TonyKim> > EAC150 research/DBS labs and assignment[12:28] <<slaw12> > damnit, it's suddenly getting busy. :P->>01[12:28] <<@OzZy_M> > damn->>01[12:28] <<@OzZy_M> > ok[12:28] <<_YJ> > getting busier is better ![12:28] <<_YJ> > let's enjoy if we cannot avoid[12:28] <<_YJ> > haha->>01[12:28] <<@OzZy_M> > so[12:28] <<slaw12> > lol->>01[12:28] <<@OzZy_M> > sorry->>01[12:28] <<@OzZy_M> > gimme 1 second[12:29] <<_YJ> > http://zenit.senecac.on.ca/wiki/index.php/OOP344_20102_TextEdit[12:29] <<_YJ> > this is the link to the page that you guys can see task distribution[12:29] <<TonyKim> > The class IOFrame looks simple. Most functions are virtual.->>01[12:29] <<@OzZy_M> > I'm not worried about IOFrame->>01[12:29] <<@OzZy_M> > so->>01[12:29] <<@OzZy_M> > Thursday[12:29] <<TonyKim> > I suppose that we can program our classe without it.->>01[12:29] <<@OzZy_M> > after class[12:30] <<TonyKim> > ok->>01[12:30] <<@OzZy_M> > are we all able to get together for maybe 15-30 mins->>01[12:30] <<@OzZy_M> > to go over what each of us have done so far?->>01[12:30] <<@OzZy_M> > we need to be in a state of high communication->>01[12:30] <<@OzZy_M> > we can't just take our pieces and seclude ourselves and work[12:31] <<slaw12> > sounds good[12:31] <<TonyKim> > ok[12:31] <<_YJ> > sound very good ozzy->>01[12:31] <<@OzZy_M> > ok->>01[12:31] <<@OzZy_M> > and han has no choice :P->>01[12:31] <<@OzZy_M> > lol[12:31] <<_YJ> > so thursday after OOP344 class ?->>01[12:31] <<@OzZy_M> > yes->>01[12:31] <<@OzZy_M> > I would like wednesday[12:31] <<_YJ> > oh no problem->>01[12:31] <<@OzZy_M> > but I have my elective after class->>01[12:32] <<@OzZy_M> > but I'm free after[12:32] <<TonyKim> > I have EAC150 after the OOP class.->>01[12:32] <<@OzZy_M> > thursday?[12:32] <<TonyKim> > on Wednesday->>01[12:32] <<@OzZy_M> > oh->>01[12:32] <<@OzZy_M> > ya[12:32] <<_YJ> > who is not available on thursday after OOP344 ?->>01[12:32] <<@OzZy_M> > I think we're all good thursday->>01[12:32] <<@OzZy_M> > regardless->>01[12:33] <<@OzZy_M> > I just want to meet more than once a week so we're all on the same page.->>01[12:33] <<@OzZy_M> > so->>01[12:33] <<@OzZy_M> > at this point->>01[12:33] <<@OzZy_M> > does anyone see any problems->>01[12:33] <<@OzZy_M> > in regard to writing their classes?->>01[12:33] <<@OzZy_M> > or anything else?->>01[12:33] <<@OzZy_M> > anything[12:34] <<TonyKim> > Well... I don't know yet.[12:34] <<slaw12> > no not right now->>01[12:34] <<@OzZy_M> > I know in a few weeks I'm going to be SUPER busy getting ready for exams->>01[12:34] <<@OzZy_M> > so[12:34] <<_YJ> > me too->>01[12:34] <<@OzZy_M> > the faster we do this->>01[12:34] <<@OzZy_M> > the better[12:34] <<_YJ> > yes.[12:34] <<slaw12> > agreed->>01[12:34] <<@OzZy_M> > because testing takes a while[12:34] <<_YJ> > yes[12:34] <<_YJ> > so thursday after OOP344 for sure ?->>01[12:34] <<@OzZy_M> > while on the subject of testing->>01[12:34] <<@OzZy_M> > yes[12:34] <<_YJ> > okay I will put that on my scheduler->>01[12:35] <<@OzZy_M> > when creating your programs->>01[12:35] <<@OzZy_M> > try and keep a track of ways to test your program->>01[12:35] <<@OzZy_M> > obviously->>01[12:35] <<@OzZy_M> > do not create extra programs if you can help it->>01[12:35] <<@OzZy_M> > just try and get the class done in a compilable state[12:35] <<TonyKim> > ok->>01[12:35] <<@OzZy_M> > and then we'll create testing programs->>01[12:35] <<@OzZy_M> > btw TonyKim->>01[12:36] <<@OzZy_M> > How do you feel about that Tester position we were talking about?->>01[12:36] <<@OzZy_M> > creating test programs to test our code[12:37] <<TonyKim> > Creating test programs? That's it or Do I post the problems to the lighthouse?->>01[12:38] <<@OzZy_M> > well->>01[12:38] <<@OzZy_M> > first->01 <@OzZy_M> does everyone like that <span class="plainlinks">01[12http://www.thepiggybackrider.com/ <span style="color:black;font-weight:normal; text-decoration:none!important; background:none!important; text-decoration:38none;/*CITATION*/">kid carrier</span>] <@OzZy_M/span> does everyone like that idea (the one catherine suggested) about having one person dedicated to testing code?->>01[12:38] <<@OzZy_M> > I mean->>01[12:38] <<@OzZy_M> > at this point->>01[12:38] <<@OzZy_M> > It doesn't make sense->>01[12:38] <<@OzZy_M> > but later->>01[12:38] <<@OzZy_M> > It might[12:39] <<TonyKim> > We need a test program as Fardad did?->>01[12:39] <<@OzZy_M> > no->>01[12:39] <<@OzZy_M> > we need to make our own methods of testing our code->>01[12:39] <<@OzZy_M> > Catherine will NOT be releasing test mains and such->>01[12:39] <<@OzZy_M> > so we have only ourselves to rely upon to make sure everything is done right->>01[12:40] <<@OzZy_M> > I guess we can talk about that later[12:40] <<_YJ> > I thought she will post the test main.->>01[12:40] <<@OzZy_M> > lol->>01[12:40] <<@OzZy_M> > no[12:40] <<_YJ> > near to the end->>01[12:40] <<@OzZy_M> > she said in class that she isn't going to be posting any test mains->>01[12:40] <<@OzZy_M> > I'm pretty sure I heard her say that...[12:41] <<slaw12> > i heard that too->>01[12:41] <<@OzZy_M> > you can ask her[12:41] <<_YJ> > OMG->>01[12:41] <<@OzZy_M> > but I'm pretty sure she said that[12:41] <<slaw12> > we have to make up our own :([12:41] <<_YJ> > that is so mean[12:41] <<_YJ> > LOL->>01[12:41] <<@OzZy_M> > lol->>01[12:41] <<@OzZy_M> > well->>01[12:41] <<@OzZy_M> > we would have to learn how to test our code SOME time.->>01[12:41] <<@OzZy_M> > now is the time[12:41] <<_YJ> > oh yeah[12:41] <<slaw12> > never!->>01[12:41] <<@OzZy_M> > lol[12:41] <<slaw12> > :P->>01[12:41] <<@OzZy_M> > ok->>01[12:42] <<@OzZy_M> > remember->>01[12:42] <<@OzZy_M> > our naming conventions that we all agreed upon->>01[12:42] <<@OzZy_M> > because if we're inconsistant at all->>01[12:42] <<@OzZy_M> > I'm sure we will loose marks[12:42] <<TonyKim> > ok->>01[12:42] <<@OzZy_M> > Anything else anybody else would like to discuss or bring up?[12:43] <<_YJ> > for now I can't think of anything[12:43] <<_YJ> > except[12:43] <<_YJ> > that we better make sure to use lighthouse frequently->>01[12:43] <<@OzZy_M> > yes[12:43] <<_YJ> > I posted on message already[12:43] <<_YJ> > haha[12:43] <<_YJ> > on -> > one[12:44] <<_YJ> > OH[12:44] <<_YJ> > wait a moment[12:44] <<_YJ> > we didn't assign the class " " IOTextEdit" " to somebody[12:44] <<_YJ> > we can make han to do it->>01[12:44] <<@OzZy_M> > there are more classes than people[12:44] <<_YJ> > kkk->>01[12:45] <<@OzZy_M> > we will get to the rest when we get there[12:45] <<_YJ> > okay->>01[12:45] <<@OzZy_M> > just focus on what YOU are supposed to do[12:45] <<_YJ> > cool->>01[12:45] <<@OzZy_M> > let me worry about the rest[12:45] <<_YJ> > so .. our meeting done ?->>01[12:45] <<@OzZy_M> > pretty much->>01[12:45] <<@OzZy_M> > so->>01[12:45] <<@OzZy_M> > Aside from group meetings->>01[12:46] <<@OzZy_M> > EVERYTHING should be posted to lighthouse->>01[12:46] <<@OzZy_M> > do not use email for anything related to the project[12:46] <<TonyKim> > ok[12:46] <<slaw12> > ok->>01[12:46] <<@OzZy_M> > Ok->>01[12:46] <<@OzZy_M> > So->>01[12:46] <<@OzZy_M> > I'm going to be online for the rest of the day[12:47] <<_YJ> > and it might be good idea to subscribe lighthouse->>01[12:47] <<@OzZy_M> > I'll probably work on my INT/DBS assignments first then on OOP344->>01[12:47] <<@OzZy_M> > What do you mean _YJ?[12:47] <<_YJ> > you get e-mail alerts whenever there are new posts on lighthouse->>01[12:47] <<@OzZy_M> > where do you set that?[12:48] <<_YJ> > click on your ID[12:48] <<_YJ> > it will lead u to profile page[12:48] <<_YJ> > click edit profile[12:49] <<_YJ> > and one of options is E-mail preferences->>01[12:49] <<@OzZy_M> > I don't think that emails you if NEW tickets are posted->>01[12:49] <<@OzZy_M> > only those you are watching->>01[12:49] <<@OzZy_M> > but->>01[12:49] <<@OzZy_M> > it still works I guess[12:50] <<_YJ> > :-)->>01[12:50] <<@OzZy_M> > Ok[12:50] <<_YJ> > then have a nice day everybody->>01[12:50] <<@OzZy_M> > I'll be on the rest of the day[12:50] <<slaw12> > isn't that under my subcriptions->>01[12:50] <<@OzZy_M> > If you need me holler[12:50] <<_YJ> > maybe you are right steph->>01[12:50] <<@OzZy_M> > awesome[12:50] <<slaw12> > select the project and it will notify of all new tickets and messages->>01[12:51] <<@OzZy_M> > good find!->>01[12:51] <<@OzZy_M> > Alright I'm going to post this log to the site[12:51] <<TonyKim> > good![12:51] <<slaw12> > aight
