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= Sun May 30 2010 = Session Start: Sun May 30 12:52:48 2010Session Ident: #seneca-oop344�03[12:52] * Now talking in #seneca-oop344�03[12:52] * Topic is 'OOP344 - Object Oriented Programming II Using C++ with introduction to open source, a channel for Seneca oop344 students and all others to join and collaborate . Visit http://zenit.senecac.on.ca/wiki/index.php/OOP344 for subject info.�'�03[12:52] * Set by fardad on Sat Nov 07 12:54:54�05[12:52] -card.freenode.net:#seneca-oop344- [freenode-info] channel trolls and no channel staff around to help? please check with freenode support: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#gettinghelp�01[12:54] <xlu44> hi guys �01[12:54] <xlu44> good afternoon[12:54] <OzZy_M> Hi[12:54] <OzZy_M> WTB Fardadx1 PST with price![12:55] <rhui4> hi[12:55] <rhui4> what does that mean[12:55] <OzZy_M> WoW terminology[12:55] <OzZy_M> if you don't get it nm[12:55] <OzZy_M> or google it lol[12:56] <rhui4> i don;t think anyone has their date for the group meeting yet since he did not intial the group times[12:56] <OzZy_M> we're having our meeting now and dividing the work[12:56] <OzZy_M> he apparently set up an assignment page�01[12:58] <xlu44> oh�03[13:00] * Retrieving #seneca-oop344 modes...[13:00] <OzZy_M> http://zenit.senecac.on.ca/wiki/index.php/Oop344_20102_-_iof_functions[13:00] <OzZy_M> I totally missed that page[13:00] <OzZy_M> Stephanie found it for us[13:01] <rhui4> i was wondering where you found it[13:01] <OzZy_M> I didn't :P[13:01] <OzZy_M> like I said, Stephanie is the hero�01[13:01] <xlu44> it's pretty good�01[13:02] <xlu44> i just check it out[13:02] <rhui4> yea she has become our hero aswell�01[13:02] <xlu44> nice neast�01[13:03] <xlu44> btw way do you know svn account now[13:03] <OzZy_M> nope�01[13:03] <xlu44> due next thusday[13:03] <rhui4> i am not sure if we have a password but i think it is SVN:oop344_102rep8[13:04] <rhui4> it is on the team page�01[13:04] <xlu44> ok[13:04] <OzZy_M> each member needs to have their own login[13:04] <OzZy_M> otherwise he can't track each person's contributions�01[13:04] <xlu44> yes�01[13:05] <xlu44> so what we can do right way?�01[13:05] <xlu44> does mirc support voice chatting?[13:06] <OzZy_M> i Don't think so[13:06] <OzZy_M> use MSN for that :P�01[13:07] <xlu44> msn only for peer to peer�01[13:07] <xlu44> it doesn't support group meeting[13:07] <OzZy_M> you can add more than one person to a conversation though[13:07] <OzZy_M> for voice?�01[13:07] <xlu44> for voice[13:07] <OzZy_M> that sux�01[13:07] <xlu44> ozzy_M[13:07] <rhui4> maybe skype[13:07] <OzZy_M> I have access to a friend's ventrilo server�01[13:07] <xlu44> who are you?[13:07] <rhui4> its free too[13:07] <OzZy_M> so it doesn't matter to me[13:07] <rhui4> he is not in our group�02[13:07] * /msg: insufficient parameters�01[13:08] <xlu44> how to type msg with target person name?[13:08] <OzZy_M> use : /q *name*�01[13:08] <xlu44> i tried "/msg nickname msg"[13:08] <rhui4> double click the name�01[13:08] <xlu44> double click name is query [13:09] <lwang168> where is teacher?[13:09] <lwang168> ;)�01[13:09] <xlu44> ozzy_m did you have meeting with fardad?�01[13:09] <xlu44> hi liang[13:10] <rhui4> hi liang[13:10] <lwang168> hi[13:10] <OzZy_M> he stood us up :(�01[13:10] <xlu44> where is the girl?[13:10] <rhui4> i will call jun�01[13:10] <xlu44> ok[13:10] <rhui4> i have no idea someone should call priya[13:10] <lwang168> and only 3 member�01[13:10] <xlu44> did you had dinner with him?[13:10] <OzZy_M> :p�01[13:10] <xlu44> no plus ozzy_m we have 4[13:11] <OzZy_M> ?[13:11] <OzZy_M> I'm in another group[13:12] <lwang168> yes�01[13:12] <xlu44> yes i know�01[13:13] <xlu44> you could be our honour member[13:13] <lwang168> meeting for what[13:13] <OzZy_M> lol[13:13] <OzZy_M> I'd be honoured *no pun intended*[13:14] <rhui4> alright[13:14] <rhui4> i found jun he is comming on right now[13:14] <rhui4> priya is mia�01[13:15] <xlu44> ok�01[13:15] <xlu44> i m going to working on prj this afternoon[13:15] <rhui4> shall we turn on a log[13:16] <rhui4> we have to turn on the log so we can get marks[13:16] <rhui4> i have no idea how to do that[13:16] <rhui4> never used irc[13:16] <OzZy_M> I have a wiki page up on that[13:16] <OzZy_M> if you're using mIRC that is�01[13:16] <xlu44> it's on ur computer already�01[13:16] <xlu44> just like msn[13:16] <rhui4> yup�01[13:16] <xlu44> you can review whole chatting history[13:16] <rhui4> don;t you have to turn it on�01[13:17] <xlu44> no�01[13:17] <xlu44> by default it is�01[13:17] <xlu44> under tool ->log[13:17] <OzZy_M> it also deletes logs on default�03[13:18] * Junseok (~jpark68@CPE00222d2e91a8-CM00222d2e91a4.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has joined #seneca-oop344[13:18] <Junseok> hello�01[13:18] <xlu44> i didn't see deletes logs option �06[13:18] * OzZy_M waves at Junseok[13:18] <rhui4> so xiong can you upload the log[13:18] <rhui4> when we are done�01[13:18] <xlu44> just a delete log file button over there�01[13:18] <xlu44> i guess so[13:19] <OzZy_M> it will auto delete sometimes[13:19] <OzZy_M> i just use on/off[13:19] <OzZy_M> it is safer�01[13:19] <xlu44> ok�01[13:19] <xlu44> maybe if file is oversized[13:20] <OzZy_M> w/e i have a wiki up on logging for mIRC�01[13:22] <xlu44> could you show us the link[13:22] <OzZy_M> sure[13:23] <OzZy_M> http://zenit.senecac.on.ca/wiki/index.php/Student_Resources_OOP344#How_To_Log_IRC_Conversations_on_mIRC�01[13:23] <xlu44> maybe we could follow ur format to copy one for our group if you don't mind[13:23] <OzZy_M> go ahead[13:23] <OzZy_M> I have our first meeting up on our team page[13:24] <OzZy_M> I will be putting up our second log soon. We just finished our second meeting now�03[13:24] * _YJ_ (~chatzilla@CPE0022b0d1b62a-CM001692fb1c3c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has left #seneca-oop344�01[13:24] <xlu44> oh�01[13:25] <xlu44> what did you discuss in ur 2nd meeting?[13:25] <OzZy_M> lol[13:25] <OzZy_M> we waited around for fardad[13:25] <Junseok> uhm..[13:25] <OzZy_M> that was a lot of it[13:25] <OzZy_M> but[13:25] <OzZy_M> when stephanie found the assignment page[13:25] <OzZy_M> we starting talking about the assignment[13:25] <OzZy_M> and we also picked functions to write[13:25] <OzZy_M> it is due next sunday[13:26] <OzZy_M> also went over other things like: who has all compilers installed, what cygwin is[13:26] <OzZy_M> small things like that[13:26] <rhui4> as ozzy sent us the assignemtn is http://zenit.senecac.on.ca/wiki/index.php/Oop344_20102_-_iof_functions�01[13:26] <xlu44> i saw it [13:26] <rhui4> incase jun didn;t get it�01[13:27] <xlu44> i read it maybe 1 week ago�01[13:27] <xlu44> then i totally forget it[13:27] <rhui4> so shall we separte the functions�01[13:27] <xlu44> think so�01[13:28] <xlu44> iof_init fardad did for us[13:28] <OzZy_M> remember�01[13:28] <xlu44> iof_end it should be simple[13:28] <OzZy_M> he only did 1 platform�01[13:28] <xlu44> yes[13:28] <OzZy_M> and he didn't do all the functinos for it�01[13:28] <xlu44> u r right[13:28] <OzZy_M> you have to write all platforms[13:28] <OzZy_M> also our first meeting[13:28] <OzZy_M> we decided on coding styles[13:28] <OzZy_M> i don't know if you have done that yet�01[13:28] <xlu44> not yet[13:28] <rhui4> not yet[13:28] <OzZy_M> ok[13:28] <OzZy_M> that is a BIG one[13:28] <OzZy_M> you should do that[13:29] <OzZy_M> go read our first log[13:29] <OzZy_M> also[13:29] <OzZy_M> our team page has the styles we picked�01[13:29] <xlu44> what style do you pick?[13:29] <OzZy_M> i suggest you read them to get some ideas�01[13:29] <xlu44> IBM microsoft?[13:29] <OzZy_M> you guys pick whatever your entire group is comfortable with[13:29] <OzZy_M> go read our log[13:29] <OzZy_M> what we did[13:30] <OzZy_M> was write something�01[13:30] <xlu44> which team are u in?[13:30] <OzZy_M> and then we voted if we liked it or not[13:30] <OzZy_M> HOTYS�01[13:31] <xlu44> what's ur final decision?[13:31] <OzZy_M> there is a lot of things to consider when make a style[13:31] <OzZy_M> you might not like some of the things that we did�01[13:32] <xlu44> let me find some style link out[13:34] <Junseok> I think ur group need to talk about three things that installing visual studio 2008, how to use svn and first assignment.�01[13:34] <xlu44> junseok you mean us right?[13:34] <Junseok> and..this log file is being recorded from 1 p.m.[13:34] <Junseok> yes�01[13:34] <xlu44> i have vs2008 ready[13:35] <lwang168> yes�01[13:35] <xlu44> i used since last semester[13:35] <rhui4> i also have vs2008�01[13:35] <xlu44> svn i used a little bit while[13:35] <Junseok> I have a vs6.0 but have to install vs2008 tonight.[13:35] <lwang168> ready[13:35] <rhui4> and the dos one for windows�01[13:35] <xlu44> i tried local reposity�01[13:36] <xlu44> it's not hard to use svn[13:36] <Junseok> I installed svn and create a reposity dicrectory in my own folder.�01[13:36] <xlu44> me 2[13:36] <Junseok> and I need a the URL of OOP344 svn.[13:36] <Junseok> haha�01[13:36] <xlu44> then i created a folder to syn with the reposity[13:36] <rhui4> same�01[13:37] <xlu44> i only have fardad's [13:37] <Junseok> did you try to check out from OOP344, anything ?�01[13:37] <xlu44> ye�01[13:37] <xlu44> i did[13:37] <Junseok> oh~�01[13:37] <xlu44> i have a copy of fardad's[13:37] <Junseok> what is the URL of oop344?�01[13:37] <xlu44> sinice 2002 record�01[13:37] <xlu44> maybe�01[13:37] <xlu44> yes[13:38] <Junseok> ok�01[13:38] <xlu44> svn://zenit.senecac.on.ca/oop344�01[13:39] <xlu44> i found 2 documents from fardad is interesting[13:39] <rhui4> so who want boid iof_init(void)�01[13:40] <xlu44> just 1 sentenece in 2 file in 2 contiunous days�01[13:40] <xlu44> I did nothing!!!�01[13:40] <xlu44> same as mine these days�01[13:41] <xlu44> i did nothing too !!!�01[13:41] <xlu44> do you guys have sys466 and dcn455 test next week?[13:42] <OzZy_M> This is my first time hitting semester 3 :P[13:42] <Junseok> I'm not taking that subjects.[13:42] <rhui4> i don;t thknk so i am not in dcn this sem[13:42] <OzZy_M> next semester[13:42] <lwang168> oh sys466[13:42] <Junseok> i have to take sys366 first . hehe�01[13:42] <xlu44> how come cs.senecac.on.ca[13:42] <lwang168> i forget it�01[13:42] <xlu44> i cann't connect to?[13:42] <OzZy_M> I can't either�01[13:42] <xlu44> can you connect to it�01[13:42] <xlu44> shit[13:42] <OzZy_M> they are probably doing some maintenance[13:42] <lwang168> thanks xiongwen[13:42] <rhui4> i am in 366�01[13:43] <xlu44> i do remember there some links to discuss coding style[13:43] <rhui4> so is this our meeting lol[13:43] <rhui4> well we can do it like this�01[13:43] <xlu44> like what?�01[13:43] <xlu44> any suggesion?[13:43] <rhui4> while(x<2){[13:43] <rhui4> }[13:43] <rhui4> or[13:43] <rhui4> while(x<2)[13:43] <rhui4> {[13:43] <rhui4> }[13:43] <OzZy_M> ya�01[13:43] <xlu44> i pretty first one[13:44] <OzZy_M> I was going to get a link for you guys from 244 website[13:44] <OzZy_M> but it is down :(�01[13:44] <xlu44> that what i wanna do[13:44] <rhui4> and then how many spaces are for tabs�01[13:44] <xlu44> but it's down[13:44] <OzZy_M> I have another link that just shows you hungarian notation if you want that[13:44] <rhui4> 3 or 5[13:44] <OzZy_M> rofl!!![13:44] <OzZy_M> 5?![13:44] <OzZy_M> nm[13:44] <rhui4> lol[13:44] <OzZy_M> ignore me[13:44] <rhui4> normal tab is 5 right?�01[13:44] <xlu44> 4�01[13:44] <xlu44> or 8[13:44] <OzZy_M> 3 or 4 lol�01[13:44] <xlu44> i prefer 4 or even 3[13:45] <rhui4> same[13:45] <OzZy_M> we used 3 in our group[13:45] <OzZy_M> and no tab character�01[13:45] <xlu44> yes[13:45] <OzZy_M> tab character is evil[13:45] <rhui4> space between braces[13:45] <rhui4> like�01[13:45] <xlu44> space will be better[13:45] <OzZy_M> I have a wiki I put up[13:45] <OzZy_M> on how to convert \t to 3 spaces[13:45] <rhui4> while ( x < 2 ) {[13:45] <OzZy_M> or however many spaces you want�01[13:45] <xlu44> so no comfilict durring different platform or different edit�01[13:46] <xlu44> what method do you use?�01[13:46] <xlu44> could you simply tell us a little bit�01[13:46] <xlu44> editor*[13:46] <OzZy_M> EVERYTHING we talked about interms of styles[13:46] <OzZy_M> is on our team page[13:46] <OzZy_M> let me get you a link�01[13:46] <xlu44> k�01[13:47] <xlu44> it's important[13:47] <OzZy_M> http://zenit.senecac.on.ca/wiki/index.php/OOP344_-_HOTYS_-_20102#Coding_Style_Rules�01[13:47] <xlu44> so everyone follow one rule[13:47] <OzZy_M> if you have any questions just ask me[13:47] <OzZy_M> ya[13:47] <OzZy_M> that is part of the assignment[13:47] <rhui4> thx[13:47] <OzZy_M> adherring to ONE coding style�01[13:47] <xlu44> it will be esay debug and consolidates the final file[13:49] <lwang168> we are assigning our project now or next week[13:49] <OzZy_M> I should have been this week[13:49] <OzZy_M> but it will probably be next week�01[13:49] <xlu44> All const and #define Variable names should be in All Caps �01[13:49] <xlu44> Example:�01[13:49] <xlu44> const int nMAX_TRIPS;�01[13:49] <xlu44> #define MAX_TRIPS 1[13:49] <lwang168> only four members[13:49] <OzZy_M> he didn't get the accounts from ACS AFAIK�01[13:50] <xlu44> it's a little bit confuse me[13:50] <OzZy_M> how so?�01[13:50] <xlu44> const int NMAX_TRIPS or ...[13:50] <lwang168> i should go at 2:00[13:50] <OzZy_M> the n[13:50] <OzZy_M> is a prefix�01[13:50] <xlu44> yes the n[13:50] <rhui4> i like it[13:50] <OzZy_M> to help you see what type of variable it is�01[13:50] <xlu44> oh�01[13:50] <xlu44> ok[13:51] <OzZy_M> if it was a character variable it would be cMAX_TRIPS[13:51] <OzZy_M> so you don't have to go looking for the declaration[13:51] <OzZy_M> you can see right away what type it is�01[13:51] <xlu44> mainly i wholeheartly agree with your style[13:53] <OzZy_M> it is a predominately Microsoft coding style�01[13:53] <xlu44> only one thing is �01[13:53] <xlu44> u like GetChar as ur function name�01[13:53] <xlu44> i prefer getChar[13:53] <OzZy_M> ok[13:53] <OzZy_M> ask your group what they prefer[13:53] <OzZy_M> and either reach consensus[13:53] <OzZy_M> or vote :P�01[13:54] <xlu44> because in sys366 and 466 professor just recommand us to use getChar style[13:54] <rhui4> i like GetChar[13:54] <rhui4> better�01[13:54] <xlu44> in all our document[13:54] <rhui4> ok lets go for that then[13:54] <rhui4> no point in getting bad habbits[13:54] <OzZy_M> note[13:54] <OzZy_M> EVERY company you work for[13:54] <OzZy_M> will have something different[13:54] <OzZy_M> so there is no point in getting attached to one style[13:54] <OzZy_M> we just picked that becuase that is what the group voted on�01[13:55] <xlu44> acutally it's it's not recommend it's mendatory[13:56] <OzZy_M> what is mandatory?�01[13:56] <xlu44> getChar in sys466[13:56] <OzZy_M> then when we get there we will use that[13:56] <OzZy_M> :P[13:57] <Junseok> I like getChar or setFileLocation if you see the source file of Microsoft Win32API or MFC..�01[13:57] <xlu44> and getChar is a traditional C or C++ style�01[13:57] <xlu44> they call it verb[13:57] <OzZy_M> you guys pick whatever everyone in your group is comfortable with�01[13:57] <xlu44> all function start with a verb[13:57] <OzZy_M> and if all your members are not present[13:57] <OzZy_M> sux for them[13:58] <Junseok> I dont know we're working on difference flatforms so we cannot say..�01[13:58] <xlu44> do you know fardad will show up or not?[13:58] <rhui4> no i dontl; think so[13:58] <OzZy_M> I don't think he will show up[13:59] <rhui4> he did not show up for the one before us�01[13:59] <xlu44> or he just rejected our meeting requestment?[13:59] <rhui4> hey hey hey i think we kind of have a style ready[13:59] <OzZy_M> he did not look at any of them I think[13:59] <rhui4> we have to keep adding to it hto[13:59] <OzZy_M> because he said he would initial if he accepts or put something if he does not�01[14:01] <xlu44> u r right�01[14:01] <xlu44> hi guys�01[14:01] <xlu44> it's 2:00[14:01] <rhui4> lu are we done i think he is not ehre becuecause of the svn or somehting�01[14:01] <xlu44> let's at least set something down[14:01] <rhui4> yea i agree it is 201[14:01] <rhui4> lol[14:02] <OzZy_M> I suggest you guys all agree on styles today[14:02] <OzZy_M> that is a big topic�01[14:02] <xlu44> let's at least pick some function to do in ur list [14:02] <OzZy_M> he is supposed to do that for us�01[14:02] <xlu44> ok[14:02] <OzZy_M> we just took some initiative because we all were getting restless�01[14:02] <xlu44> did he do that for ur team?[14:02] <rhui4> so what shallw e do now i thkn kwe should get together another date makle sure pyia is here and finalized[14:02] <OzZy_M> He did NOT do that for our team[14:02] <OzZy_M> like I said[14:03] <OzZy_M> we were all anxious to get to work[14:03] <OzZy_M> so we all voted on which we wanted�01[14:03] <xlu44> haha[14:03] <OzZy_M> I just put up our second log�01[14:03] <xlu44> i just saw he was busy on some thing else maybe in his open source project[14:03] <OzZy_M> where?[14:03] <OzZy_M> he isn't in IRC logsis he?[14:04] <rhui4> anyone here�06[14:04] * rhui4 is thkning of leaving if noone replies�01[14:04] <xlu44> after last class in the seneca channel�01[14:04] <xlu44> concur�01[14:04] <xlu44> u r approvaled�01[14:04] <xlu44> approved[14:04] <rhui4> yea[14:05] <rhui4> atleast his bot should be here[14:05] <OzZy_M> are you guys logging this channel?[14:05] <OzZy_M> because I have a bot that is at home I think[14:05] <rhui4> xiong said he would�01[14:05] <xlu44> hi guys�01[14:06] <xlu44> due to fardad is not here[14:06] <rhui4> i am lagging like no 2morrow too�01[14:06] <xlu44> and our members have lots of home work need to deal with�01[14:06] <xlu44> we didn't set anything down[14:07] <Junseok> Common Hungarian Notation Prefixes[14:07] <Junseok> Prefix Data Type[14:07] <Junseok> b - BOOL[14:07] <Junseok> c or ch - char[14:07] <Junseok> clr - COLORREF[14:07] <Junseok> cx, cy - Horizontal or vertical distance[14:07] <Junseok> dw - DWORD[14:07] <Junseok> h - Handle[14:07] <Junseok> l - LONG[14:07] <Junseok> n - int[14:07] <Junseok> p - Pointer[14:07] <Junseok> sz - Zero-terminated string[14:07] <Junseok> w - WORD�01[14:07] <xlu44> but I wish we can draw something before next tusday so we can start the project and finish it before due day[14:07] <Junseok> I think we can use this Hungarian style.[14:07] <Junseok> when we decide the name of variables.�01[14:07] <xlu44> it's nice[14:07] <rhui4> so shall we have another meeitng together[14:08] <rhui4> ok[14:08] <rhui4> i agree xion[14:08] <rhui4> g�01[14:08] <xlu44> could you juneseok copy ur idea to our team wiki page�01[14:08] <xlu44> so all of us can refer them later on?[14:08] <Junseok> yes I have a book of MFC something like that, I'll post this table on wiki.�01[14:09] <xlu44> ok[14:09] <rhui4> ok thxc[14:09] <Junseok> no problem.�01[14:09] <xlu44> do you guys have time on monday?[14:09] <rhui4> i have work monday so i can do it at night[14:09] <rhui4> meet at night like after 8�01[14:09] <xlu44> it's ok to me[14:09] <Junseok> I'm fine too�01[14:10] <xlu44> liang are u there?[14:10] <lwang168> yes[14:10] <Junseok> I'll find some information of coding style from book or internet.�01[14:10] <xlu44> monday 8:00pm is ok to you[14:10] <Junseok> monday?[14:10] <lwang168> ok[14:10] <rhui4> jun u ok at 8? tomrrow�01[14:10] <xlu44> and one more important thing is set job list done[14:10] <Junseok> ok!![14:10] <rhui4> ok�01[14:10] <xlu44> he is ok he said[14:10] <lwang168> ok[14:10] <Junseok> ok[14:10] <rhui4> ok�01[14:11] <xlu44> see you guys all 8:00pm same channel[14:11] <rhui4> ok see you then[14:11] <Junseok> ok see you then[14:11] <Junseok> have a great day![14:11] <rhui4> you too�01[14:11] <xlu44> u 2[14:11] <rhui4> damn such long good buy[14:11] <rhui4> bye[14:11] <Junseok> bye�02[14:11] * Junseok (~jpark68@CPE00222d2e91a8-CM00222d2e91a4.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) Quit[14:12] <rhui4> exit
