SBR600 IRC Log - 2009-11-10
| BoChao | ctyler: ping | 13:08 |
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| ctyler | BoChao: pong | 13:20 |
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| ctyler | BoChao_, jddeni ... any other sbr600's here? | 13:30 |
| ctyler | well, we just lost BoChao | 13:31 |
| jddeni | ctyler: I don't think so | 13:31 |
| jddeni | ctyler: to be honest I dont even know the other people's names lol | 13:31 |
| jddeni | ctyler: besides Boris and alex | 13:31 |
| ahilts | ctyler: im sbr | 13:32 |
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| ctyler | Boris, Alex, Jonathan, Mohamed, Arlene, and Adam | 13:33 |
| ctyler | ok, we have two, looks like Boris is trying to be here but defeated by the powers of SeneNet | 13:33 |
| ctyler | ahilts: why does XChat think you are Bruce Lee? | 13:33 |
| jddeni | cytler: Alex is coming | 13:34 |
| jddeni | ctyler: Alex is coming* | 13:34 |
| ahilts | hmm i am not realy sure | 13:34 |
| ahilts | i not sure where to find that info or where to change it | 13:35 |
| ctyler | Ok. | 13:35 |
| ahilts | oh i found it nvm | 13:35 |
| ctyler | Need a status update: why don't I see blog posts about the difference between modified and unmodified cpp performance? | 13:35 |
| ahilts | I am just about to post mine as we speak | 13:36 |
| ctyler | Wonderful! | 13:36 |
| ctyler | Any others? | 13:36 |
| jddeni | ctyler: I was going to work on it during the weekend, but as you know I got sick I was pretty much incapacitated until today where i went to the doctors, I will try to work on it at some point today | 13:36 |
| ctyler | Ok. | 13:36 |
| ctyler | Others? Are there technical issues or just lack of time? | 13:37 |
| ctyler | Ok, we have four weeks. I'd like to get DXR packaged and ready to go into Fedora by FUDCon. | 13:39 |
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| ctyler | I'm not sure we can get it into Fedora by then, because there are some legal and packaging issues to work out. | 13:39 |
| ctyler | Welcome BoChao, do you have a post on modified vs. unmodified g++ for me? | 13:40 |
| BoChao | i do, when my Internet at home comes back up on friday :( | 13:40 |
| ctyler | so we have four weeks. We need to start with what we have from humph (viewsource), next step is to get the dxr stuff from him and we'll hack on that. Both rely on the same foundation, which is modified gcc/g++ along with the dehydra plugin. | 13:41 |
| ctyler | BoChao: USB flash drive to school, upload from there. Sound like a plan? | 13:41 |
| BoChao | sure | 13:41 |
| ctyler | So we need to get this modified gcc packaged up, and we need dehydra packaged up, and we need the viewsource app packaged up. | 13:42 |
| ctyler | Who wants to do what? | 13:42 |
| ctyler | It's going to be messy, for sure. Our job is to get it cleaned up. | 13:43 |
| ahilts | i could package gcc i suppose | 13:43 |
| ctyler | I think the best approach is to get it working *in any form*, and then clean it up as round 2. | 13:44 |
| BoChao | I can try to package dehydra | 13:44 |
| ctyler | Ok, ahilts is down for gcc and BoChao for dehydra, that leaves the viewsource web app for jddeni :-) | 13:44 |
| jddeni | I suppose so | 13:44 |
| jddeni | I have to still do my gcc tests first | 13:45 |
| ctyler | The other 3, who aren't here, will pick up later pieces. | 13:45 |
| ctyler | jddeni: yep. Time's a-wasting! | 13:45 |
| ctyler | You folks saw the post about F12 going gold (that I forwarded?) | 13:45 |
| ctyler | That means that it will be released on Tuesday. | 13:45 |
| BoChao | yes, i recieved your email | 13:46 |
| ctyler | It also means that F-13 alpha freeze is 11 or 12 weeks away. | 13:46 |
| jddeni | looking forward to it | 13:46 |
| BoChao | but what does Going Gold mean? | 13:46 |
| ctyler | The "gold disk" is also called the "Release to manufacturing" (RTM) disk. | 13:47 |
| ctyler | It's what you send to the CD pressing plant if you're releasing a boxed retail product. | 13:47 |
| ctyler | In this case, it means the ISO images that people will download. | 13:47 |
| jddeni | and they will be available next tuesday | 13:47 |
| BoChao | oh, ok | 13:47 |
| ctyler | So if they're gold, they just have to get this out to the mirrors. It takes a surprisingly long time to get all the mirrors in sync, several days. | 13:48 |
| ctyler | The permission bits on the download dir will be something like 0600 | 13:48 |
| ctyler | The final update, Thursday at 10 am, is to fixup the permission bits to open the downloads. | 13:48 |
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| ctyler | Hey apvlahopoulos | 13:49 |
| apvlahopoulos | hello | 13:49 |
| apvlahopoulos | sorry i am late | 13:49 |
| ctyler | np | 13:49 |
| apvlahopoulos | i had to attend to a very hungry stomach | 13:49 |
| ctyler | Looking for your modified-vs-unmodified gcc blog post. | 13:49 |
| ctyler | Hmm? | 13:50 |
| apvlahopoulos | so funny story... | 13:50 |
| apvlahopoulos | i live in a condominium | 13:50 |
| * ctyler bugged the others before you got here, not picking on you | 13:50 | |
| apvlahopoulos | and this weekend... all the internet connections for the entire complex decided to shut off | 13:50 |
| apvlahopoulos | i just got internet last night, so i will get on that post ASAP now | 13:50 |
| ctyler | you and BoChao live in the same building? he's down until Friday | 13:51 |
| apvlahopoulos | lol wow really? | 13:51 |
| apvlahopoulos | no completely different | 13:51 |
| ctyler | s/the dog ate my homework/the Internet kept me from posting/ | 13:51 |
| BoChao | haha no, I have signal issues with Rogers | 13:51 |
| apvlahopoulos | i live all the way in ajax lol | 13:51 |
| ctyler | ok, so like I said to BoChao: | 13:51 |
| apvlahopoulos | my dog ate my laptop | 13:51 |
| apvlahopoulos | :) | 13:51 |
| apvlahopoulos | LOL | 13:51 |
| ctyler | BoChao: USB flash drive to school, upload from there. Sound like a plan? | 13:52 |
| ctyler | s/BoChao/apvlahopoulos/ | 13:52 |
| ctyler | Ok, as I was saying, F12 is gold | 13:52 |
| apvlahopoulos | (i didnt go to school yesterday... teacher cancelled class) | 13:52 |
| ctyler | so it's being queued for mirroring and will be out on Tuesday | 13:52 |
| apvlahopoulos | and to drive 45 minutes to north york from ajax :S lol | 13:52 |
| ctyler | so then the focus will shift to F13 and the features and packages it will contain | 13:53 |
| apvlahopoulos | anyways, i will have it complete. | 13:53 |
| ctyler | we want to get DXR into F13, so we need to get hopping. | 13:53 |
| BoChao | so ctyler, you want us to create an RPM for the modified gcc / dehydra / viewsource? | 13:53 |
| ctyler | So humph's script mixes together viewsource and modified gcc and dehydra, we need to split it up | 13:53 |
| ctyler | we can split up his script, or write one .src.rpm that produces multiple binary rpm's | 13:54 |
| apvlahopoulos | *runs away* | 13:54 |
| ctyler | I suggest we split it up, because there will be different licences etc. | 13:55 |
| ctyler | so you can edit his script to just build the bit you are packaging. If you depend on another bit, then you can just BuildRequires that | 13:55 |
| ctyler | we also need a class repo for this | 13:55 |
| ctyler | apvlahopoulos, since you were late, you are repo master | 13:56 |
| ctyler | get it set up on Scotland and set the permissions etc. so everyone can put their .src.rpms there | 13:56 |
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| ctyler | hi Arlene_Daniel | 13:56 |
| apvlahopoulos | omg | 13:56 |
| apvlahopoulos | repo master? | 13:56 |
| apvlahopoulos | i shouldnt be master of anything. | 13:56 |
| ctyler | you're in charge of the repository | 13:57 |
| apvlahopoulos | lol great | 13:57 |
| ctyler | Arlene_Daniel, how's it going? | 13:57 |
| ctyler | haven't seen your modified vs. unmodified blog post yet | 13:57 |
| Arlene_Daniel | not bad | 13:57 |
| ctyler | I've been bugging all the others, when will I see yours? | 13:57 |
| apvlahopoulos | hmmm arlene came later than me | 13:57 |
| apvlahopoulos | lol | 13:57 |
| apvlahopoulos | repo master? | 13:57 |
| ctyler | apvlahopoulos: don't worry, I've got one for her too | 13:57 |
| apvlahopoulos | oh dear | 13:57 |
| ctyler | Arlene_Daniel: you should have heard the stories they've come up with so far, dogs eating laptops, internets being broken, all kinds of stuff | 13:58 |
| jddeni | H1N1? :P | 13:58 |
| ctyler | So when will I see your post? | 13:58 |
| ctyler | that too | 13:58 |
| Arlene_Daniel | after on | 13:59 |
| Arlene_Daniel | on | 13:59 |
| Arlene_Daniel | post for gcc and morl | 13:59 |
| Arlene_Daniel | mork | 13:59 |
| apvlahopoulos | mork? did i miss something? | 13:59 |
| ctyler | nano nano | 14:00 |
| apvlahopoulos | i am so lost. | 14:00 |
| * ctyler realizes that was probably before your (plural) time | 14:00 | |
| jddeni | probably lol | 14:01 |
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| ctyler | Arlene_Daniel: like I'm telling the others, I need that post by the end of last week! | 14:01 |
| Arlene_Daniel | ok | 14:01 |
| ctyler | mohamedaden: I have to ask you the same question as I'm asking the others: Where is your post on modified vs. unmodified gcc? | 14:01 |
| Arlene_Daniel | will have them up today | 14:02 |
| ctyler | Arlene_Daniel: great, thanks | 14:02 |
| mohamedaden | Yes, I did it but I did not post it | 14:02 |
| ctyler | mohamedaden: Well, post it already. | 14:02 |
| mohamedaden | not yet. | 14:02 |
| ctyler | Ok, now that we're all here, let me recap the previous conversation. | 14:03 |
| apvlahopoulos | i will be have 2 posts today , live cd and gcc | 14:03 |
| apvlahopoulos | not to worry sir! | 14:03 |
| ctyler | F12 has gone gold and will be out on Tuesday. Attention will be turning to F13. | 14:03 |
| ctyler | We want to get DXR into F13 -- that's our goal. | 14:03 |
| ctyler | We need to tell Fedora (the community) about it at FUDCon, 4 weeks from now. | 14:03 |
| ctyler | We have 3 things to package so far: gcc, dehydra, and viewsource. | 14:04 |
| ctyler | Three of you are already lined up to package those. | 14:04 |
| ctyler | apvlahopoulos is managing the repo on Scotland. | 14:04 |
| ctyler | Arlene_Daniel, I need you to start work on an image to demonstrate DXR's capabilities (start with a live disc). | 14:05 |
| Arlene_Daniel | ok | 14:05 |
| ctyler | That leaves mohamedaden, and I'm going to ask you to do QA. | 14:06 |
| ctyler | You're going to test the packages and do your best to break them. | 14:06 |
| ctyler | Everyone OK with their role? | 14:07 |
| apvlahopoulos | :) | 14:07 |
| jddeni | yes sir | 14:07 |
| ahilts | ill be alright till the fitsy problem | 14:07 |
| BoChao | i'm ok | 14:07 |
| apvlahopoulos | i kind of want to cry, but I'll be okay. | 14:07 |
| mohamedaden | what is QA? | 14:08 |
| ctyler | Quality Assurance -- testing, making sure stuff works | 14:08 |
| mohamedaden | OK | 14:08 |
| Arlene_Daniel | and an image | 14:08 |
| ctyler | right | 14:09 |
| Arlene_Daniel | only an image | 14:09 |
| Arlene_Daniel | lol | 14:09 |
| mohamedaden | I am stuck with koji. | 14:09 |
| ctyler | mohamedaden: since you have nothing to test yet, I'm also going to ask you to create a wiki page for this project. Link from our week-by-week to that page, and then break out separate pages for each subproject. blog about it so we all know where to find it. | 14:10 |
| ctyler | Arlene_Daniel: you'll need to make *lots* of images :-) You can start with a basic one now, but you'll need to pull in the other student's packages as soon as they're ready, and there will probably be multiple versions of those packages, hence multiple images. | 14:10 |
| Arlene_Daniel | alright then | 14:11 |
| ctyler | ok, what's our timeframe for first-draft versions of the packages? | 14:11 |
| apvlahopoulos | next tuesday? | 14:12 |
| ctyler | sounds reasonable. We'll need the repo and wiki up before that, let's aim for Friday for those pieces.7 | 14:12 |
| ctyler | If anyone gets stuck, I'm here on IRC. | 14:13 |
| apvlahopoulos | sounds good | 14:13 |
| ctyler | Any questions? | 14:13 |
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| ctyler | I guess none from Borris! | 14:13 |
| ctyler | Ok, go go go! | 14:13 |
| apvlahopoulos | (i guess he wasnt lying when he said he had a bad connection) | 14:13 |
| ctyler | no kidding! | 14:13 |
| apvlahopoulos | alright!!!!!! | 14:14 |
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| ctyler | mohamedaden: koji is fighting with you? | 14:14 |
| mohamedaden | Yes. | 14:14 |
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| ctyler | so tell me how far you've gotten. | 14:15 |
| ctyler | BoChao: so we're done, with an initial target of Tuesday. | 14:15 |
| ctyler | Wiki and repo up by Friday. | 14:15 |
| BoChao | sorry about that sir, using putty on my phone ain't so great | 14:15 |
| BoChao | ok, so draft src rpm done at that time | 14:16 |
| ctyler | BoChao: consider ssh'ing to a CDOT machine, and using 'screen' there along with irssi. Then you can disconnect and reconnect later, and since irssi will be running the whole time, you can read the scrollback. | 14:16 |
| ctyler | That's how humph is 'always' in the channel. | 14:16 |
| mohamedaden | I have this error with koji: Unable to log in, no authentication methods available | 14:17 |
| ctyler | (I do the same thing, but with vnc+XChat) | 14:17 |
| ctyler | mohamedaden: have you downloaded the certificate from FAS yet? | 14:17 |
| BoChao | ok, I'll try using screen | 14:17 |
| mohamedaden | not yet. | 14:17 |
| ctyler | that's the cause of the error. | 14:18 |
| ctyler | the certificate provides the credentials necessary to login to the koji server. | 14:18 |
| mohamedaden | OK, I will do that. | 14:19 |
| ctyler | mohamedaden: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Koji | 14:19 |
| mohamedaden | Thanks ctyler. | 14:20 |
| ahilts | ctyler: i have posted my blog, and i hope to have a good start on the rpm by thursday | 14:20 |
| ctyler | and https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers/UsingKoji <-- probably more important | 14:20 |
| ctyler | ahilts: excellent! | 14:20 |
| ahilts | so i assume we are done so i will see you in class or on here on thursday | 14:22 |
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| CloudScorpion | fardad: hey, I'm not gonna be in class today, what were we gonna cover? | 14:35 |
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| mohamedaden | I can not login to make posting now. So, I will check it latter at home. | 14:38 |
| mohamedaden | The system is too slow! | 14:45 |
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| ctyler | ah, the joys of SeneNET | 14:51 |
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| CloudScorpion | -_- why do I assume fardad is ever online? | 14:52 |
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| fardad | because he is, but not always looking at the screen :| | 14:56 |
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