SBR600 IRC Log - 2009-11-10

BoChao	ctyler: ping	13:08
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ctyler	BoChao: pong	13:20
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ctyler	BoChao_, jddeni ... any other sbr600's here?	13:30
ctyler	well, we just lost BoChao	13:31
jddeni	ctyler: I don't think so	13:31
jddeni	ctyler: to be honest I dont even know the other people's names lol	13:31
jddeni	ctyler: besides Boris and alex	13:31
ahilts	ctyler: im sbr	13:32
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ctyler	Boris, Alex, Jonathan, Mohamed, Arlene, and Adam	13:33
ctyler	ok, we have two, looks like Boris is trying to be here but defeated by the powers of SeneNet	13:33
ctyler	ahilts: why does XChat think you are Bruce Lee?	13:33
jddeni	cytler: Alex is coming	13:34
jddeni	ctyler: Alex is coming*	13:34
ahilts	hmm i am not realy sure	13:34
ahilts	i not sure where to find that info or where to change it	13:35
ctyler	Ok.	13:35
ahilts	oh i found it nvm	13:35
ctyler	Need a status update: why don't I see blog posts about the difference between modified and unmodified cpp performance?	13:35
ahilts	I am just about to post mine as we speak	13:36
ctyler	Wonderful!	13:36
ctyler	Any others?	13:36
jddeni	ctyler: I was going to work on it during the weekend, but as you know I got sick I was pretty much incapacitated until today where i went to the doctors, I will try to work on it at some point today	13:36
ctyler	Ok.	13:36
ctyler	Others? Are there technical issues or just lack of time?	13:37
ctyler	Ok, we have four weeks. I'd like to get DXR packaged and ready to go into Fedora by FUDCon.	13:39
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ctyler	I'm not sure we can get it into Fedora by then, because there are some legal and packaging issues to work out.	13:39
ctyler	Welcome BoChao, do you have a post on modified vs. unmodified g++ for me?	13:40
BoChao	i do, when my Internet at home comes back up on friday :(	13:40
ctyler	so we have four weeks. We need to start with what we have from humph (viewsource), next step is to get the dxr stuff from him and we'll hack on that. Both rely on the same foundation, which is modified gcc/g++ along with the dehydra plugin.	13:41
ctyler	BoChao: USB flash drive to school, upload from there. Sound like a plan?	13:41
BoChao	sure	13:41
ctyler	So we need to get this modified gcc packaged up, and we need dehydra packaged up, and we need the viewsource app packaged up.	13:42
ctyler	Who wants to do what?	13:42
ctyler	It's going to be messy, for sure. Our job is to get it cleaned up.	13:43
ahilts	i could package gcc i suppose	13:43
ctyler	I think the best approach is to get it working *in any form*, and then clean it up as round 2.	13:44
BoChao	I can try to package dehydra	13:44
ctyler	Ok, ahilts is down for gcc and BoChao for dehydra, that leaves the viewsource web app for jddeni :-)	13:44
jddeni	I suppose so	13:44
jddeni	I have to still do my gcc tests first	13:45
ctyler	The other 3, who aren't here, will pick up later pieces.	13:45
ctyler	jddeni: yep. Time's a-wasting!	13:45
ctyler	You folks saw the post about F12 going gold (that I forwarded?)	13:45
ctyler	That means that it will be released on Tuesday.	13:45
BoChao	yes, i recieved your email	13:46
ctyler	It also means that F-13 alpha freeze is 11 or 12 weeks away.	13:46
jddeni	looking forward to it	13:46
BoChao	but what does Going Gold mean?	13:46
ctyler	The "gold disk" is also called the "Release to manufacturing" (RTM) disk.	13:47
ctyler	It's what you send to the CD pressing plant if you're releasing a boxed retail product.	13:47
ctyler	In this case, it means the ISO images that people will download.	13:47
jddeni	and they will be available next tuesday	13:47
BoChao	oh, ok	13:47
ctyler	So if they're gold, they just have to get this out to the mirrors. It takes a surprisingly long time to get all the mirrors in sync, several days.	13:48
ctyler	The permission bits on the download dir will be something like 0600	13:48
ctyler	The final update, Thursday at 10 am, is to fixup the permission bits to open the downloads.	13:48
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ctyler	Hey apvlahopoulos	13:49
apvlahopoulos	hello	13:49
apvlahopoulos	sorry i am late	13:49
ctyler	np	13:49
apvlahopoulos	i had to attend to a very hungry stomach	13:49
ctyler	Looking for your modified-vs-unmodified gcc blog post.	13:49
ctyler	Hmm?	13:50
apvlahopoulos	so funny story...	13:50
apvlahopoulos	i live in a condominium	13:50
* ctyler bugged the others before you got here, not picking on you		13:50
apvlahopoulos	and this weekend... all the internet connections for the entire complex decided to shut off	13:50
apvlahopoulos	i just got internet last night, so i will get on that post ASAP now	13:50
ctyler	you and BoChao live in the same building? he's down until Friday	13:51
apvlahopoulos	lol wow really?	13:51
apvlahopoulos	no completely different	13:51
ctyler	s/the dog ate my homework/the Internet kept me from posting/	13:51
BoChao	haha no, I have signal issues with Rogers	13:51
apvlahopoulos	i live all the way in ajax lol	13:51
ctyler	ok, so like I said to BoChao:	13:51
apvlahopoulos	my dog ate my laptop	13:51
apvlahopoulos	:)	13:51
apvlahopoulos	LOL	13:51
ctyler	BoChao: USB flash drive to school, upload from there. Sound like a plan?	13:52
ctyler	s/BoChao/apvlahopoulos/	13:52
ctyler	Ok, as I was saying, F12 is gold	13:52
apvlahopoulos	(i didnt go to school yesterday... teacher cancelled class)	13:52
ctyler	so it's being queued for mirroring and will be out on Tuesday	13:52
apvlahopoulos	and to drive 45 minutes to north york from ajax :S lol	13:52
ctyler	so then the focus will shift to F13 and the features and packages it will contain	13:53
apvlahopoulos	anyways, i will have it complete.	13:53
ctyler	we want to get DXR into F13, so we need to get hopping.	13:53
BoChao	so ctyler, you want us to create an RPM for the modified gcc / dehydra / viewsource?	13:53
ctyler	So humph's script mixes together viewsource and modified gcc and dehydra, we need to split it up	13:53
ctyler	we can split up his script, or write one .src.rpm that produces multiple binary rpm's	13:54
apvlahopoulos	*runs away*	13:54
ctyler	I suggest we split it up, because there will be different licences etc.	13:55
ctyler	so you can edit his script to just build the bit you are packaging. If you depend on another bit, then you can just BuildRequires that	13:55
ctyler	we also need a class repo for this	13:55
ctyler	apvlahopoulos, since you were late, you are repo master	13:56
ctyler	get it set up on Scotland and set the permissions etc. so everyone can put their .src.rpms there	13:56
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ctyler	hi Arlene_Daniel	13:56
apvlahopoulos	omg	13:56
apvlahopoulos	repo master?	13:56
apvlahopoulos	i shouldnt be master of anything.	13:56
ctyler	you're in charge of the repository	13:57
apvlahopoulos	lol great	13:57
ctyler	Arlene_Daniel, how's it going?	13:57
ctyler	haven't seen your modified vs. unmodified blog post yet	13:57
Arlene_Daniel	not bad	13:57
ctyler	I've been bugging all the others, when will I see yours?	13:57
apvlahopoulos	hmmm arlene came later than me	13:57
apvlahopoulos	lol	13:57
apvlahopoulos	repo master?	13:57
ctyler	apvlahopoulos: don't worry, I've got one for her too	13:57
apvlahopoulos	oh dear	13:57
ctyler	Arlene_Daniel: you should have heard the stories they've come up with so far, dogs eating laptops, internets being broken, all kinds of stuff	13:58
jddeni	H1N1? :P	13:58
ctyler	So when will I see your post?	13:58
ctyler	that too	13:58
Arlene_Daniel	after on	13:59
Arlene_Daniel	on	13:59
Arlene_Daniel	post for gcc and morl	13:59
Arlene_Daniel	mork	13:59
apvlahopoulos	mork? did i miss something?	13:59
ctyler	nano nano	14:00
apvlahopoulos	i am so lost.	14:00
* ctyler realizes that was probably before your (plural) time		14:00
jddeni	probably lol	14:01
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ctyler	Arlene_Daniel: like I'm telling the others, I need that post by the end of last week!	14:01
Arlene_Daniel	ok	14:01
ctyler	mohamedaden: I have to ask you the same question as I'm asking the others: Where is your post on modified vs. unmodified gcc?	14:01
Arlene_Daniel	will have them up today	14:02
ctyler	Arlene_Daniel: great, thanks	14:02
mohamedaden	Yes, I did it but I did not post it	14:02
ctyler	mohamedaden: Well, post it already.	14:02
mohamedaden	not yet.	14:02
ctyler	Ok, now that we're all here, let me recap the previous conversation.	14:03
apvlahopoulos	i will be have 2 posts today , live cd and gcc	14:03
apvlahopoulos	not to worry sir!	14:03
ctyler	F12 has gone gold and will be out on Tuesday. Attention will be turning to F13.	14:03
ctyler	We want to get DXR into F13 -- that's our goal.	14:03
ctyler	We need to tell Fedora (the community) about it at FUDCon, 4 weeks from now.	14:03
ctyler	We have 3 things to package so far: gcc, dehydra, and viewsource.	14:04
ctyler	Three of you are already lined up to package those.	14:04
ctyler	apvlahopoulos is managing the repo on Scotland.	14:04
ctyler	Arlene_Daniel, I need you to start work on an image to demonstrate DXR's capabilities (start with a live disc).	14:05
Arlene_Daniel	ok	14:05
ctyler	That leaves mohamedaden, and I'm going to ask you to do QA.	14:06
ctyler	You're going to test the packages and do your best to break them.	14:06
ctyler	Everyone OK with their role?	14:07
apvlahopoulos	:)	14:07
jddeni	yes sir	14:07
ahilts	ill be alright till the fitsy problem	14:07
BoChao	i'm ok	14:07
apvlahopoulos	i kind of want to cry, but I'll be okay.	14:07
mohamedaden	what is QA?	14:08
ctyler	Quality Assurance -- testing, making sure stuff works	14:08
mohamedaden	OK	14:08
Arlene_Daniel	and an image	14:08
ctyler	right	14:09
Arlene_Daniel	only an image	14:09
Arlene_Daniel	lol	14:09
mohamedaden	I am stuck with koji.	14:09
ctyler	mohamedaden: since you have nothing to test yet, I'm also going to ask you to create a wiki page for this project. Link from our week-by-week to that page, and then break out separate pages for each subproject. blog about it so we all know where to find it.	14:10
ctyler	Arlene_Daniel: you'll need to make *lots* of images :-) You can start with a basic one now, but you'll need to pull in the other student's packages as soon as they're ready, and there will probably be multiple versions of those packages, hence multiple images.	14:10
Arlene_Daniel	alright then	14:11
ctyler	ok, what's our timeframe for first-draft versions of the packages?	14:11
apvlahopoulos	next tuesday?	14:12
ctyler	sounds reasonable. We'll need the repo and wiki up before that, let's aim for Friday for those pieces.7	14:12
ctyler	If anyone gets stuck, I'm here on IRC.	14:13
apvlahopoulos	sounds good	14:13
ctyler	Any questions?	14:13
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ctyler	I guess none from Borris!	14:13
ctyler	Ok, go go go!	14:13
apvlahopoulos	(i guess he wasnt lying when he said he had a bad connection)	14:13
ctyler	no kidding!	14:13
apvlahopoulos	alright!!!!!!	14:14
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ctyler	mohamedaden: koji is fighting with you?	14:14
mohamedaden	Yes.	14:14
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ctyler	so tell me how far you've gotten.	14:15
ctyler	BoChao: so we're done, with an initial target of Tuesday.	14:15
ctyler	Wiki and repo up by Friday.	14:15
BoChao	sorry about that sir, using putty on my phone ain't so great	14:15
BoChao	ok, so draft src rpm done at that time	14:16
ctyler	BoChao: consider ssh'ing to a CDOT machine, and using 'screen' there along with irssi. Then you can disconnect and reconnect later, and since irssi will be running the whole time, you can read the scrollback.	14:16
ctyler	That's how humph is 'always' in the channel.	14:16
mohamedaden	I have this error with koji: Unable to log in, no authentication methods available	14:17
ctyler	(I do the same thing, but with vnc+XChat)	14:17
ctyler	mohamedaden: have you downloaded the certificate from FAS yet?	14:17
BoChao	ok, I'll try using screen	14:17
mohamedaden	not yet.	14:17
ctyler	that's the cause of the error.	14:18
ctyler	the certificate provides the credentials necessary to login to the koji server.	14:18
mohamedaden	OK, I will do that.	14:19
ctyler	mohamedaden: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Koji	14:19
mohamedaden	Thanks ctyler.	14:20
ahilts	ctyler: i have posted my blog, and i hope to have a good start on the rpm by thursday	14:20
ctyler	and https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers/UsingKoji <-- probably more important	14:20
ctyler	ahilts: excellent!	14:20
ahilts	so i assume we are done so i will see you in class or on here on thursday	14:22
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CloudScorpion	fardad: hey, I'm not gonna be in class today, what were we gonna cover?	14:35
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mohamedaden	I can not login to make posting now. So, I will check it latter at home.	14:38
mohamedaden	The system is too slow!	14:45
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ctyler	ah, the joys of SeneNET	14:51
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CloudScorpion	-_- why do I assume fardad is ever online?	14:52
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fardad	because he is, but not always looking at the screen :|	14:56

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