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#I've found the number of labs is '''reasonable, provided the labs:''' <ol type="a"><li value="1">'''work in general''' (which I found was the biggest issue, and thus modified all the labs the first semester I taught the course (in some cases had to do a complete rewrite)</li><li>'''Allow Post-iptables labs to work'''. I have my students '''flush the rules, set the default policies to accept and save them as such''' (and '''disable firewalld'''). This way when they troubleshoot problems, at least it's not iptables getting in the way. --Jason</li></ol><br>
# Eleven labs seems to be a lot of labs for this course. '''Can't students simply use c7host that they created in OPS235 (with tweaks) in order to streamline labs 0 and 1?''' Can students use their existing OPS235 removable hard drives to reduce re-installing CENTOS7?<ul><li>'''I don't think there should be a lab0.''' That setup should be done on their own time in advance, all needed to do the setup was learned in OPS235. If the students don't remember - that's a good reason for them to spend extra time getting a refresher on OPS235. -- Andrew</li><li>'''Same for networking. All the students had trouble with basic network setup. They need to be told to go back on their own and remember how to configure an interface. And they have to be tested on it for the first 2-3 weeks to make sure they know it's a serious requirement.''' --Andrew<br><br><li>'''Can't use c7host from 235 because a good number of students don't have it any more, it's not unusual for students to go to coop between 235 and 335'''. -- Andrew</li><br>'''UPDATE:''' According to Scott Apted:<br>''students going to co-op before doing OPS335 will not be valid as of September 2016''<br><br></li><li>'''Of the existing labs to drop, I think ftp should go'''. I'm debating the benefits of dropping it entirely at night, '''or replacing it with something cloud based -- like ownCloud'''. -- Jason</li></ul><br>
# Would be preferable to have sub-WIKIs discussing the concepts of why students are doing lab[01] (purpose/overview) prior to complete (that|those) lab(s)<br><br><ul><li>[ [[OPS335-Lab1 Overview]] ]</li><li>[ [[OPS335-Lab2 Overview]] ]</li><li>[ [[OPS335-Lab3 Overview]] ]</li><li>[ [[OPS335-Lab4 Overview]] ]</li><li>[ [[OPS335-Lab5 Overview]] ]</li><li>[ [[OPS335-Lab6 Overview]] ]</li><li>[ [[OPS335-Lab7 Overview]] ]</li><li>[ [[OPS335-Lab8 Overview]] ]</li><li>[ [[OPS335-Lab9 Overview]] ]</li><li>[ [[OPS335-Lab10 Overview]] ]</li></ul><br><br>Or here are alternative online resources that are already used for OPS335 continuing Education (could these be used or incorporated?):<br><br><ul><li>[ [https://prezi.com/afknbqxakhv6/welcome-to-ops335/?utm_campaign=share&utm_medium=copy OPS335-Lab1-Overview-alternative] ]</li><li>[ [https://prezi.com/epffrcin26oi/basic-networking/?utm_campaign=share&utm_medium=copy OPS335-Lab2 Overview-alternative] ]</li><li>[ [OPS335-Lab3 Overview - alternative] ]</li><li>[ [OPS335-Lab4 Overview - alternative] ]</li><li>[ [OPS335-Lab5 Overview - alternative] ]</li><li>[ [OPS335-Lab6 Overview - alternative] ]</li><li>[ [OPS335-Lab7 Overview - alternative] ]</li><li>[ [OPS335-Lab8 Overview - alternative] ]</li><li>[ [OPS335-Lab9 Overview - alternative] ]</li><li>[ [OPS335-Lab10 Overview - alternative] ]</li></ul><br><br>
# Here is an alternative set of OPS335 labs to the ones used in Weekly Schedule in current OPS335 WIKI:<br><br>[ [https://sites.google.com/site/ops335sa/ alternative labs] ]<br><br>
# '''Labs need to be worth more, 2% per lab''' in OPS235 seems to work well. --Andrew<br><ul><li>Fully agree, my breakdown at night (Continuing Education) that I largely inherited is '''differently weighted''', copy/pasted the '''breakdown as follows:'''<ul><li>Quizzes (1 per lab, staggered a week after the lab is introduced as in uli101 & ops235) - 10%</li><li>Tests (mid term) - 30%</li><li>Assignments (1 - broken down into several parts)- 10%</li><li>Lab work - 20%</li><li>Final Exam -30%</li><li>I'm planning on dropping the weighting of the mid term to 25%, and upping the assignment to 15% as I find at 10% a good portion of the students don't even bother doing it. The above breakdown addresses Andrew's point about quizzes as well -- Jason<br><br></li></ul></li></ul>
